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Posted by: George Tracy On Wednesday, September 21st

Thank you for your letter and your service, Mr. Smith. Thank your daughter for her service for me.
"The secret to happiness is freedom, and the secret to freedom is courage."
Thucydides

Posted by: mike_kean2003@yahoo.com">Michael Kean On Monday, September 12th

Mr. Brantley Smith:

I wanted to offer my most sincere thanks & support to you for your "open letter" to the sadly misguided Ms. Cindy Sheehan. My heart feels for her great loss, and my prayers are most certainly with her & her family, but I could only hope that this poor lost soul would take heed to your words of profound wisdom. Ms. Sheehan, like so many other of our citizens, have fallen prey to what certain elected officials have deemed this war on terror as nothing more than a nuisense.

It was not so long ago, (1992-2000) that we were attacked at least on 4 seperate occasions (WTC in 93, Embassy bombings in the Sudan & Tazidenia, and the USS Cole) with vitually no response from the dismal Clinton whitehouse. Then 9-11-01 happens and people like Ms. Sheehan are miffed & befuddled as to "why" are we at war. And by God, I lay 90% of the blame on old slick. The "GREAT DIVIDE", as I call it, is painfully evident throughout our nation, and even in my own family. How is it that Ms. Sheehan and those like her, cannot, or will not face up to this? Nothing in this world could please the terrorists more than what she's doing.

It probably is a good thing that I am not in charge because Mr. Smith, I would take a MUCH MORE aggresive stand that President Bush has. And I truly believe our country needs to really take the gloves off. Personally, I could care less if I offened Islam by leaving a copy of the Koran out in the rain, or if I violated any Islam rules by hunting these bastards down in their own Mosks or places of worship. You do not reason with people such as these, nor do you offer them physcological counseling and a big wet sloppy kiss, you kill them, PERIOD!!! I really believe it is that simple, sir.

I promised myself I would'nt get long-winded here, so I will honor that promise to myself. Again, "Thank You" Mr. Smith, for having the outright courage to tell it like it really is. I doubt we'll see your words on the big 3 or CNN, but we should. Just a thought, sir. Fox news c/o Bill O'reilly. I know he'd have the sand to broadcast your words if time was available. I think he needs to MAKE TIME. Keep the faith, Mr. Smith. May the God of our Fathers keep you & your family in His constant care, and may He also look out for your little girl, and the rest of our soldiers & allies.

Sincerely, Michael E Kean



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Posted by: w_gradisar@yahoo.com">Republican On Saturday, September 10th

Aaron, I have read you rantings and would like to direct you to this linkhttp://www.850koa.com/shows/shows_rosen_32.html#List
Perhaps you can overcome liberalism. Oh and by the way in a previous rant you said that bush was stupid (you said this in response to someone catching a gramatical mistake.) Guess what liberals? Bush's overall grades in college was a 77 ( what an idiot! a c average!) But wait John F Kerry's grades were 76 overall. You painted it on thick bush is an idiot kerry's an intellectual. You pointed again and again his c average, yet when confronted with this new revelation of kerry's grades my liberal freinds say well that was a long time ago and his grades really don't say much about his intelligence. Anyways back to the main topic. Liberals want us to destroy all our weapons and disband the military and roll over for anyone and everyone who dis-likes us. You think the Terrorists want to talk with us? Do you think if we pulled out of Iraq they'd stop as well? Correct me if i'm wrong but when 9-11 happened we weren't at war with Afganistan. Also i'm sick of everyone saying the Iraq war was based off a lie, Bush lied, thier were no WMD'S. Actually no their weren't (although we found quite a few illegal weapons and labs working to make wmd's) how can you blame this failure of intelligence on one man? The U.S. intelligence/ Englands intelligence/as well as other countrie's intellegence all said he had WMD's. So its Bush's fault? Also for you liberals Kerry saw the same intell as bush and he voted for action against Iraq. Well after that the liberal says well their was no tie to 9-11. We never said thier was a tie to 9-11, thier was however a connection between Iraq and Bin Ladin. This is a proven fact, Saddam's men and Bin ladin's have been recorded to have met several times during the 1990's (which by the way were in Clintons years) I Suppose i will now end this rather Long rant and let you think on what I have said.

Posted by: lexmom3@yahoo.com">Teresa On Friday, September 9th

I have read all of the postings following Lt. Col. Smith's letter. There is one posting that struck me hard enough to write this message. Aarron, in one of your postings, you mentioned your excuses about the so-called "abortion factories". I want to understand something. You disagree with the war, and our troops fighting for your right to disagree, but you don't have any problems with the murder of unwanted, helpless babies. What have they been teaching you in that college? That is not a way to control the 'overpopulation' of our country. Have you not heard? We have new inventions now called "birth control"!!! OR...STOP HAVING SEX!!!! That is really the problem with our country. We have a bunch of young "know-it-alls" growing up and being allowed to voice their lop-sided opinions "according to their constitutional rights". Have you not figured out why and how you even have those rights?!?
I have never considered myself in a certain party, but it seems to me that the Republicans are the only ones with any guts! I have always voted for the candidate that I felt would strive to uphold the moral beliefs that this country was founded on. It's mighty funny to me, that it has always been a Republican. You can sit here and site all kinds of negative actions by OUR President, but the only reason you have a problem with him is he didn't just come into office and sit there, trying to appease all of the non-Americans, the way YOU wanted him to do. He stands up for what he thinks is right! Thank God that he has!! President Bush is a God-fearing man. I am beginning to think maybe that is what the Liberal's problems are. Anyone with a moral backbone, and not afraid to show it, scares you! Because they won't bend over backwards to make you feel better about your choices and warped thoughts. Clinton never would have had the guts to declare war after 9/11. He might have offended someone! Where were you on September 11th, anyway? Did you not see the destruction these terrorists caused? We kept our noses out of 'it', until they forced us to take a stand! I've heard people say that Sadam was not the leader that took responsibility, so we should have left him alone. Sadam was a WORLD threat, also. If the police came across notorious wanted criminal "A", but were looking for "B", should they just let "A" go, because they weren't looking for him at that moment. NO!! Sadam was as much of a threat as Bin Laden is!
I also believe, IF you hear a soilder complaining that he/she does not agree with the US being in the war, he/she obviously signed up BEFORE 9/11. I would like to ask them why they joined the Armed Forces in the first place. Was it for the free education? The enlistment bonus? Or did they think, since we have not been in a war in so long, that it would be a 'safe' job with free benefits for them and their dependents and now they are resenting the fact that they are having to earn those benefits. And please don't respond with any sort of questions about 'what benefits', my sister's husband is career Air Force, I KNOW how small the benefits truly are. A true serviceman is not in it for the 'benefits' anyway! They are doing it to preserve the rights and liberties of a country they love and respect! That is called BEING an American! Quite honestly, I believe you probably need to go about finishing your studies, get your degree, and then go out into the REAL world and live it, before you start trying to support issues that you have only read about or heard about from TV. Live them before you criticize them! I read one of the posting where you criticized someone's debate skills. I really hope that you are not going into politics after school. You will need to polish your own debate skills first. You are not 'debating', you are just talking to hear yourself talk.
Lt. Col. Smith, may God bless your daughter and keep her safe. Thank her, from the American people-even the ungrateful ones-for her selfless act of bravery for our rights! Ms. Sheehan, your son did not die in vain! He volunteered to serve, you must have instilled a love for his country in him. He is an American Hero, be proud of him! The true Americans are!

Posted by: DBO On Wednesday, September 7th

Arron, I understand that you hate Bush and will take anything bad that happens in this country and blame it on him, but let me ask you a few questions. Do you think that after we were attacked by murderous cowards, that we would be better off with Saddamm still in power?(Please answere this because most Libs like to avoid this question) After the countless and countless resouloutions he defied, the millitary aircraft he fired upon, the millions he murdered, the unexplicable fear he planted into his peoples hearts, the rewards he offered the families for suicide bombings, the rapings of innocent women, his discernable scare tactics to proudce money for his palaces, would we be better off right now? Your right about WMD's but let me ask you something. If Sadamm didn't have them why did he kick out weapons inspectors dozens and dozens of times. Why did he call them "spies." Call me crazy but that sounds like a madman who is worried about someone obtianing secrets of millitary interest. Also Arron did you agree with WW2? Thousands died but I read about a country that pulled together to win. Also since I'm sure you are a Clinton supporter why was Osama attacking us while Clinton served. I thought his foreign policy was right on the mark. Clearly the terrorist shouldn't have attacked us. I didn't see the Liberal media coming unhinged about Clinton's cruise missles killing innocent people when he attacked Slobadan Milosevich. I didn't see all you Libs rising up to challenge Clinton on why he put his nose in where it didn't belong. Also you speak about civilian death tolls. Thank you for SPITTING in the face of my cousin who is serving over there right now. Casualties of war are a reality my freind and NO AMerican soilder blatently tries to take inncocent life. Please let me assure you I am no republican and I respect your opinion but you are bitter because your canadate had no agenda for this country. If he really did then many republicans probably would have voted for him. I vote for the man Arron, and if Kerry would have one I would have respected him as my president and supported the decisions he would have made for this country. Also one more thing. You Libs say you support the troops but you really don't. If you supported the troops then you would have to support the mission.(the war) Saying you don't support the war is really saying you don't support the mission which is to win the war. How can you support something you don't want to succeed?

Posted by: Jenise Barnett On Wednesday, September 7th

God Bless you.
May your child and others be kept safe while they protect and serve our country.If these people don't want to have their children or themselves fighting for our country, THEN MOVE!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: herbaljudy@aol.com">Judy On Saturday, September 3rd

She is a shame to the American public!!

Posted by: dwhitley1@gmail.com">Dee Whitley On Thursday, September 1st

I am proud to say I served with the US Navy. I am so tired of hearing the war in Iraq is based on a lie. Just because they haven't found the weapons they expected doesn't mean they didn't have them to begin with. Just prior to the beginning of the war, convoys of trucks were seen leaving Iraq. What did you think they were carrying? Furniture? Wake up before you end up speaking Arabic.

Posted by: Mike a 26 year USAF VietnamVet On Thursday, September 1st

As I read through these comments, I am stirred by many things. However, one thing keeps pounding in my heart and head. It is essence of Mr. Smith's piece.
If you believe your right to free speech is greater that your responsibility to free speech, then free speech is without value.
In each of our rights lies an equal or greater responsibility to protect those rights. To exercise our rights without responsibility is to render them meaningless.
By all means, exercise every opportunity to use your rights -- protest, disagree, but do it responsibily. Always look for the unintended consequences of your acts. It is they that will have the longer lasting and greater impact.
For those of you who think the only reason our soldiers are serving in foreign wars is because our government sent them, you are right for a small percentage. Most who are in harm's way feel a sense of duty and are honored to serve. As one of the latter, it is my opinion that those unwilling to protect and serve are the ones who "exercise" their rights the most. Those who protect and serve treasure their rights and do all they can to uphold them for all -- even those who abuse their rights and act irresponsibly.
"My country right or wrong, but my country."

Posted by: Peggy Martin On Wednesday, August 31st

This article is jaw dropping: An Open Letter to Cindy Sheehan - From the Proud Father of a U.S. Marine! I wish there was a way to get this letter to Sheehan, the shameful mother of a fallen hero and get network and/or cable news stations to air it. I would think people with logical opposing views to Sheehan's should be granted equal time. It appears Sheehan has signed up for Jane Fonda's "How to Betray Your Country and Cause Deaths of 1,000's of US Military/VN 101." Or maybe she studied up on John Kerry's example of how to fight for your country with one hand and betray the men you are fighting beside with the other hand. God bless Brantley Smith, what he stands for and his gift for saying what the majority of US don't know how to say. Let us stand together and help Mr. Smith spread his message – our message.

Posted by: Judy Spence On Wednesday, August 31st

Thank God for our brave men and women willing to put themselves in harm's way to protect this wonderful country that we live in. Because of many people's sacrafices I have the freedom to vote, work,pray and voice my opinion
I ask you protestors to thank our troops and not give the enemy any fuel to use against those fighting over seas. My whole life I have wished that we would never have to fight another war and I shed a tear and say a prayer for each of those wonderful people who gave the ultimate sacrafice to protect me and my country.
Please America support our troops and keep them in your prayers and don't slap our military in the face like so many cowards did during Viet Nam.
I would like to say a special thank you to our present military and every veteran of all wars and military actions that fought for the love of their country.
God Bless Our Troops.
Judy Spence

Posted by: scooter23@yahoo.com">scooter On Tuesday, August 30th

Hope you've just identified why many of us who voted for President Bush didn't do so because we love him but because we are terrified what the new ANgry left would do to America.

Posted by: amcti@cox.net">Andy On Tuesday, August 30th

Mrs. Sheehan son is crying for his mother.
Weapons of mass destruction?
The world knew of them and "required" Sadam Hussien to either produce the stockpiles or produce evidence that they were destroyed. EITHER would have prevented this. NEITHER was forthcomming, what would you do?
protestors caused more deaths in VN on both sides by thier actions. Here we go again.
Democrats loose wars, Repubicans win wars.
Andy, SEAL TEAM 1, retired.

Posted by: hoperocks2000@hotmail.com">Hope Oder On Tuesday, August 30th

With full understanding that this is a "conservative" website, I would like to say first that I have always been a "liberal." If for no other reason than my parents raised me to always be open minded and accepting of others regardless if their ideals differ from my own. With the exception of course that hatred, violence, bigotry and pure unadulterated ignorance are not acceptable.
My husband calls me his bleeding heart liberal because I always want to help the underdog and those in need. That would explain why I chose a career in social services. But that in no way makes me a "leftist" that wants to undermine our government. That having been said, I would like to say how some of my views are similar to the more conservative views posted on this site when it comes to our Armed Forces.
My husband is a staff sergeant in an infantry unit in the 82nd Airborne. He has been deployed to Iraq twice, the first time being sent home early after being blown up by an IED. Luckily he recovered and was happy to return and serve again a second time. The stories he tells of combat and the Iraqi people who stand beside him to fight for their own freedom are heart wrenching. It tugs at my heart each time to see him reacclimate to civilian life when he returns home. Slamming doors and loud noises are not pleasant experiences, nor are the nightmares. But we work through it. He is proud to serve his country and I am proud to stand behind him and support him. He is the best soldier I know and I can't imagine a better person doing the job.
Everyone deals with grief in their own way. My heart goes out to all of the families of fallen soldiers and I pray that my husband does not become one of them. But that is always a possibility and I would hope that I could at least stand up with pride and say that he died doing exactly what he wanted to, serving his country and protecting all of our freedoms. I can't imagine that I would ever turn into an anti-war protester. I see my job as supporting all of our armed forces.
I will not say whether I agree or disagree with anything President Bush does or says. These people, these sons, daughters, husbands, wives, mothers and fathers are out there every day risking their lives and as an Army wife and a US citizen I feel it is my duty to support them and give them encouragement regardless of what I may think about the politics that send them out to do their jobs. Please don't ever forget that these young men and women have given their lives over to the service of our country. And their duty to serve comes before family. That I am well aware of and have given my life over to support that duty.
There is a job to be done in Iraq and Afghanistan and I don't believe you can just pull out because people are tired of hearing of soldiers dying. Without seeing it through and assisting the Iraqi people in setting up their own government you would leave a gaping hole for radical extremists to take over and we would have our hands full well beyond what we have experienced in the past. Stick it out, stick together. That's what this nation should be about.
Rather than ranting about the politicians making the decisions, why don't we rally around our troops, boost their morale (as opposed to making them feel like they're not supported) empower them to be able to do the best job that they can so we can get this over with and get them back home in the right way.
I am very sorry for Ms. Sheehan's loss. But news of her group and possibly even Jane Fonda coming to Fayetteville, NC, home of the 82nd Airborne, makes my stomach turn. Our soldiers do not need to hear their fellow Americans, their own families railing against a war that they could be called upon to fight at any moment. I will not go out to see the protest, I will not protest against the protest. I will continue to do my job and let all of those soldiers around me know that they are doing an excellent job and without brave souls like themselves, this country would not be what it is and Jane Fonda would not be allowed to undermine our troops as she has since the Vietnam War. Those people are not welcome in my life and I wish they were not welcome in my town, but they have the right to do that. Because of my husband and all his fellow soldiers. So lap it up Cindy and Jane. You can spout off all the anti-war propoganda you want because my husband would give his life for you to have that right, or should I say privilege? Enjoy it now because if you had your way we would all be sitting at home being attacked by terrorists and as the retired MSgt said in a previous posting, fighting the war in our own streets.
As for me, I prefer to have our country well protected by our Armed Forces and even help out other countries who are overrun by terrists groups to keep those people from planning more death and destruction to those who do not ascribe to their tyranical beliefs. I do not believe in oppression but violence must be oppressed. And sometimes the only way to win against violent perpetrators is to blow them to bits. So you go on soldiers, seamen, airmen and marines. Do your job, erradicate the suicide bombers and terrorists and show them that they cannot unabashadly continue to attack and terrorize every corner of the earth. You do your job to make this world a more peaceful place and I will stand behind you 100%.

Posted by: shaleene2003@yahoo.com">Tiffani Eager On Tuesday, August 30th

I am glad that he has wirtten this down. How dare that woman go and protest what he son believed in? He gave his life for our freedoms and I respect him and every last one of the others that make that huge decision to protect our rights as Americans. May God Bless our troops and remember them in your prayers each night

Posted by: Richard Dale Williams On Tuesday, August 30th

Everyone should read "Has America Lost Her Way", for an insiteful view of what is happening to our country today.
A real eye opener.
http://hasamericalostherway.com/index.html

Posted by: karen carl On Tuesday, August 30th

Freedom is not free. Ms. Sheehan should be aware of that. We have all lost someone for this cause even if it's someones elses son or daughter. They are Americans first.

Posted by: Walt Copley On Sunday, August 28th

Col. Smith,

I was forwarded a copy of the letter you had posted in the Citizen Journal on 20 Aug. This message has two purposes. One of them is to advise you that I have in turn forwarded the letter to approximately 40 individuals whose addresses I retain in a file titled "A Few Sentient Americans." Many of them are career active duty and retired military, some of them are involved civilians and all were deeply moved by the pride and confidence you expressed in your daughter. Your words were more far more poignant and pertinent than were mine in a letter I had printed in the local paper last week:

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To The Editor;
My congratulations to Cindy Sheehan, with a nod to George Soros personally and to Move-On, etc in general. In the past few days she has been able to do what the Leading Lights of the Left were unable to do for nearly three years; she has succeeded in Vietnamizing the Iraq conflict! Locally a group of the anti-war persuasion took up positions yesterday at the approved place in front of the courthouse.

Using the same posters that have laid under the bed for over 30 years, they took to the streets in nationwide concert. Passers-by were again exhorted to "End the War", Bring The Troops Home", "No NAFTA" (Whoops, wrong poster -- but you get the idea!) The cacophony of "America Last" has finally reached the tipping point and seems to be a national movement again. The loss of Ms. Sheehan's son is a tragedy; the mindless attack on the nation she has supported and enervated is indefensible.

Local zealots have pledged to continue their vigil every day "...until Bush agrees to meet with Sheehan." My guess is that they have the same commitment(?) exhibited by the Hollywood luminaries who promised to leave the US if George Bush was elected.
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The other purpose is to let you know that one of the people to whom I forwarded your letter conducts a talk show on KSPT, a local radio station here in North Idaho. I don't know how or even if he will use it, but if you get some communication from here, you know the origin of the contact.

As always, the troops are in our thoughts and prayers. You can be sure that your daughter is included in that special group. The opportunity to have had a part in influencing the values of one who is serving her country in the most intense and personal manner is one in which in which you can take satisfaction and express thanks. This life-changing time is one in which she can take justifiable pride. It will help to affirm her values and commitment for many years to come. Please advise her that one more (actually several more) old-timers are proud of her devotion to the obligations of citizenship and welcome her into a small circle of fellow vets.



/s/
Walt Copley, PhD
Emeritus Professor of Criminal Justice
Capt, USAF (Ret)
Special Agent, Air Force Office of Special Investigations

Posted by: Petra On Sunday, August 28th

Dear Mr. Smith,

I wanted a to take a moment to comment on your letter to Cindy Sheenan. I don't by any means agree with her choice of locations to raise her protests of the war, however, please remember that she has a right to voice her opinion just as you do in the letter you published. We forget sometimes that the "free speech" motto allows ALL people to feel free to express their thoughts. You may disagree, therefore seeing her protests as detrimental to those around her and you, however, she (or I) may disagree with your opinion and feel you voicing your thoughts is detrimental also. (believe it or not!) When WE think we are right it is hard to see those who disagree with us as doing any good by voicing their opinions.

Mr. Smith, you forget that...our soldiers are not going to Iraq because they feel it is their "responsibility to protect your rights and freedoms". They go to Iraq because the United States of America government is requiring them to go over there. Yes they join the military of their accord with stars in their eyes and full of patriotism, however they do not choose what battles to fight. Do you truly believe that each and every soldier agrees with this war? Of course not, however, this is their job. This is what they signed up for and their employer has given them an order, which they must obey. They have NO CHOICE in this matter. And as the good employees they are, they stand proud and trust that our government is sending them into harms way for a greater cause. They must, it is a matter of survival for them.

People like Cindy Sheehan are needed in this country to bring light to the decisions that our government makes, and keep them in check. Would you rather we became sheep, following the shepherd? Mr. Smith, Hitler happened because the sheep followed the shepherd without questioning or thinking for themselves. You are concerned about your daughter, and I empathize with you. However, you want people like Cindy to stay quiet because of how it "might impact" your daughter? As a mother myself, of course, you want your children to be in the best frame of mind when about to enter harms way. But please look beyond this, there IS a greater cause here that anti-war protesters are trying to accomplish. It is NOT an attack on our soldiers, it is an attack on policy and the decisions of our government. What right do YOU have in demanding someone to stay silent???

There is a lot of rhetoric going on here about fighting terrorists and radical Islam. We all seem to have forgotten that Iraq is NOT responsible for 9/11, Bin Laden is. Who is holed up somewhere in Afghanistan. And 9/11 is what started all this, is it not????? We won't get into the history of the Bin Laden family, our dear President, the oil in Iraq and the longstanding issue between the Bushes and Saddam. You pride yourself as being well versed in history (although with a twist as I noticed). Therefore, I trust you understand what I am saying here. The question, in many peoples minds is....are we fighting the right people? Are we fighting the right war? Are we directing our forces against the right enemy? That, Mr. Smith, we have a right to ask and call the government on some of these issues. Again, I agree with you that Cindy Sheehan's choice of location for her protest is absurd, however, many of the things you write in your letter, are too absurd. Forgive me, that is my opinion.

And unfortunately, most people will be like sheep, get lost in your rhetoric, which sounds fantastic and very patriotic and press the send button.

I just wanted my voice to be heard and my opinion to be expressed. Just as you have that right, so do I. And unfortunately, so does Cindy Sheehan.

Posted by: Navy Vet On Sunday, August 28th

I can see alot of racist, "white man's burdon" jargon going on here. Please, this country was NOT founded on freedom, tolerance, and all that other HIS-story propoganda. Read your high school history books, then ask the Native Americans about freedom and tolerance. Reality is a bitch! It hurts but it's reality. Iraq has been lost already, was a losing endeavor from the very beginning. That's more reality folks. And my bush hating does NOT embolden the so-called enemy. Get a grip, do you think the the REAL terorists get pumped up by my etchings? If you do, you have issues that medication and education can help relieve.

Posted by: mattcloud@cox.net">Matt On Sunday, August 28th

People just don't understand everything that 9/11 Represented. Not only was it a major wakeup call but it was the first time that a enemy brought the war to US soil. This was the Muslim world declaring war on us. We had no other option then to Fight. Why Iraq they are not the ones that planned the attack? Please remember the histroy of saddum during the 1970's he ran, paid for and over saw the daily operations. During this time a young milatent came to be trianed he later grew to become the leader of the group that planned and carried out the events of 9/11. That man was/is nonother than Osi ma Bin loden. Iraq was supporting terrist with cash and arms. We are at war because our very way of life are in danger.
As to Ms. Sheenen death is a part of war. Her son is a hero as are all those who have last thier lives. She is comsumed in her grief and is not hearing the vocies of all those serveing in Iraq that almost in one voice say that they agree with the mission. I am sure had her son been asked he would have agreed with his comrades. Ms. sheenen go home and get some help. The USMC has people to help with grief use them. Or the American Red Cross has simaler services. USE ONE!
I will end this with one of my favorite saying. A soliders moto Ours is not to question why.Ours to but to do or die.

Posted by: Ron Boulineau On Saturday, August 27th

Mr. Smith,
Amen!! Those are very true words. I wish I had thought of them. These people like Mrs. Shehann just don't understand how much support they give our advisaries. To me our freedoms are worth fight for and dying for, if necessary. Mrs. Shehann's son thought the same thing, else he would not have been there. I think she should be proud of the sacrifice's he made, get a life and use that energy she is spending on talking down the government, and put it to good use, such as supporting the U.S.
Ron

Posted by: Aaron On Friday, August 26th

Allrighty, Bill, I'm glad you quoted me before arguing, that's very helpful.
I think the question of what's 'fair' to America would be answered differently by different people. Those who are concerned for the environment would argue differently than those concerned for the economy. Of course, since with have to live with the environment for the rest of our days no matter what and the economy can rise and fall, I would have to side with the environment. Objections to Kyoto have been generally based around the idea that the US has too many pollution-creating factories and power plants (etc.) in place and that attempting to reduce their emissions wouldn't be economically feasible. Well, if just about every rational prediction of the future of the environment is correct, we are going to regret this move eventually. If we let our nation destroy the environment, we will regret that more than anything else we have ever regretted before. I am disappointed that the US hasn't worked harder to get an international global warming treaty agreed to and signed, but I will concede that it's not solely Bush's fault that it hasn't happened.
As for nonproliferation, I'm not sure if you actually read much of the news, but Bush has been pushing for the development and testing of new nuclear weapons for possible use in the War On Terror.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2003-07-06-nuclear-usat_x.htm
"How about the lack of freedom, etc, in other countries? Isn't that a dash hypocritical of you?"
Um yeah, exactly, you're arguing my point for me. My point is that Bush has been selective about where the "crisis" is, where a lack of freedom is a problem. If he really cared that much, he wouldn't just name a few token bad guys; he'd have a whole laundry list of countries we want to help to build more freedom for their people. Then again the media doesn't really help; Only the most liberal of media try to cover lack of freedom, starvation, poverty, and other such problems all over the world - instead of just sending a few correspondents to the Country du Jour.
"international abortion factories"
Ouch, strike one for partisan rhetoric. There's no such thing as an 'abortion factory' - however there are family planning organizations which advocate abortion as *one of* the choices to keep overpopulation and poverty in check. I think it's generally accepted in the First World (except for America) that something like abortion is, even if you think it's evil, a necessary evil. I remember hearing a radio report on the state of abortion in Brazil, where something like 400 women die every year from non-professional abortions. If family planning organizations had proper funding, maybe we could save a few poor, starving potential mothers from a gisly death.
And the millions emancipated from dictatorship don't have a democracy yet - the Sunis have threatened civil war if they don't get that they want from the consistution being debated right now. I think a brutal dictatorship with its country under control is far less dangrous as a whole than a full-blown civil war.
"the UN doesn’t exist if not for US contributions. Period. What drop in what bucket are such dues?"
I'm not sure what you mean. It's well-documented that we haven't paid our full dues in many years. Are you saying that the only purpose of the UN is to collect money from the US? Or that they can't exist without our money? Or that the money we were going to contribute was insignificant? Please clarify this one.

Posted by: Bill Lalor On Friday, August 26th

Aaron - Some questions for you re: your last post:
“The US has refused to join the International Criminal Court” – do you believe a Syrian, or Uzbeki should be able to sit in judgment of a US soldier? Or doesn’t that bother you? Does it bother you that US law in the ICC has as much weight as Syria's? That the ICC is an exertion of power and enforcement of "law" which is appropriate only by "government" that rightfully passes such laws? Or is this too finicky and uncooperative?
“Refused to pay UN dues” – the UN doesn’t exist if not for US contributions. Period. What drop in what bucket are such dues?
“refused to sign the Kyoto Agreement” – the treaty the Senate voted 98-0 (I believe, including J Kerry) to reject if “unfair” to the US. Have you read the Agreement? Do you think it’s “fair” to the US? Why, aside from a meaningless gesture toward internationalism and “cooperation” (not that there’s much reciprocation or any sacrifice by others, hence no real “cooperation”) should the US sign Kyoto? Bigger question: do you care whether it’s fair to the US?
“backed out of non-proliferation agreements” – Example?
“and is currently refusing to sign the UN's anti-genocide resolution” – I don’t know about this, but the US is just as well off signing such a “resolution” made by the Wappingers Falls town council. The UN passes resolutions, and they mean nothing. Maybe the US will be taken more seriously if they do not sign “resolutions” that are backed by no “resolve.”
“While we removed a brutal dictator in one country, we have allowed free speech to slowly be eliminated in Russia, we have done nothing about a total lack of freedom of religion and speech in other countries,” – What, exactly, is the US supposed to be doing about the elimination of free speech in Russia? What measures do you believe Bush shoudl have, but did not take? How about the lack of freedom, etc, in other countries? Isn't that a dash hypocritical of you?
“pulled funding from family planning organizations internationally (that was pre-9/11)” – this was federal funding for international abortion factories, which most people think is wrong, especially given circumstances. What’s wrong with that? Seems like a rational solution to the proliferation of a horrible practice.
And what about Bush’s aid to Africa? Even liberals admit he’s done more for Africa than any other president. The seeds of democracy? Millions emancipated from dictatorship? I guess if we’re behind on our UN dues, none of this matters.

Posted by: jpbell10@hotmail.com">Pamela Bell On Friday, August 26th

BRAVO!!!!!
I could not have said it any better myself.
I believe Ms Sheehan made her point LONG ago and not it's time for her to get a life and go home.
Pam
Proud mother of LCpl Jerry, USMC, serving in Fallujah

Posted by: lynde12@cox.net">Lyn De Paulo On Friday, August 26th

I think that Ms. Sheehan has forgotten one important factor in all of this. Our country is involved in a war that is not drafting their citizens to fight in. This is a "voluntary" service. Her son signed up on his own volition knowing full well that there was a chance that he would be killed. The chances being even higher as he was a Marine. I think that instead of whining, dying, crying and carrying on she should respect her sons choice, and be proud of what he chose to be. She does not have to agree with the war against terrorism, but she does need to keep in mind that her son chose to go, George Bush did not choose to send him.
I am sorry for her loss.

Posted by: StriderVic@AOL.com">SSGT Victor A. Lenar On Thursday, August 25th

To my brothers and sisters in arms, SemperFi

Posted by: ivin1@optusnet.com.au">Ivin On Thursday, August 25th

Jim Minke, you are so right, I agree with what you say. I am an American living in Australia, for family reasons. I meet people from all over the world, and why do people hate America, well I can tell you why. It is about ninty percent because of the news media. They always report the negative, no matter what the real truth is. And that is what most base their opion on, and they have never been to the USA. I saw an Australian reporter that arrived in Iraq one day, he reported, that they were all freindly and if you did not look like an American or speak like one they would not bother you. Well, that same night they came under morter attack and had to call in the US Marines to rescue them. I heard an Australian tell a lady, the other day that they should not aline with the US because in the US, the blacks were not even allowed to vote. I hear such stupidity all the time, and I could go on and on. They even have left wing school teacher's here that teach the kids that anything American is wrong. They don't teach them that during WW2 that the US saved them from the Japaneese. They think all Americans are fat because of the commericals they put on TV when it is about the same all over the world. And all the USA needs is someone like Ms Sheehan to support the terrorist, people around the world will just love that...
Ivin.

Posted by: ivin1@optusnet.com.au">ivin On Thursday, August 25th

I just remember all the American soilders that were tortured because they refused to attend a Jane Fonda appearance in Veitnam. I don't understand what these liberals want, just let these terrorist take over, and think they will be alright. These people are doing nothing more but supporting terrorist, weather they know it or not. These people know nothing much of history. They have pleanty of complaints but no solutions. I did not believe in the Veitman War, but this is a different situation. But, saying that the biggest mystake USA ever made was by letting them win the Veitnam war, now they think they can all do it. When the American soilder won every battle fought on the ground, and still lost the war. If Bush pulled the troops out of Iraq is going to do nothing to ending the war. The fact is Americans had better wake up, one way or another they are going to have to fight these terrorist or join them. I honestly think there is a lot that had rather join them.

Posted by: Aaron On Thursday, August 25th

Cris, I understand where you're coming from, but you're treating the entire issue as an isolated incident. If there was no other foreign policy besides Iraq, then it would make sense and nobody would be arguing about it as much. However, consider these other issues: The US has refused to join the International Criminal Court, refused to pay UN dues, refused to sign the Kyoto Agreement, backed out of non-proliferation agreements, and is currently refusing to sign the UN's anti-genocide resolution. While we removed a brutal dictator in one country, we have allowed free speech to slowly be eliminated in Russia, we have done nothing about a total lack of freedom of religion and speech in other countries, pulled funding from family planning organizations internationally (that was pre-9/11), the list goes on.
So I really don't understand why you can be so optimistic. I really wonder about those who would take what any politician says at face value ALL THE TIME. "Of course he means it, he's the president! He can't possibly be lying!" When Halliburton employees in Iraq are being paid literally six figures to drive trucks around while our troops get a third (or less) of that to risk their lives, do you think we're being "humanitarians"? What are the real priorities?

Posted by: crisb@wccconsulting.com">Cris On Thursday, August 25th

Aaron, very good comments that obviously speak to the nature of your soul. I can appreciate that. I do sense a, shall we say, hardened scepticism in your tone? Maybe I am too generous in my beliefs in Man, but I can't help but try and seek goodness in people first. I see the actions of the USA in Irag as a humanitarian issue before I also recognize the political and ecomonical impacts. I do not believe the "shock and awe" was the driving factor as you stated. I do believe that we were asked to help in a region in flux and I believe strongly that the war with Iran and his invasion of Kuwait were the physical triggers that put all of this in motion long before GWB finally acted. Remember in Kuwait, a "free society" was threatened by a viscious dictator and "we" were asked to help. The countries threatened by Saddam's power moves were concerned and ridiculed for allowing us to interven. Obviously Saddam wanted power. Just for a moment consider this a more likely scenario. It's the basic bully at school situation just on a global scale. The rich neighborhood kids, without the necessary tools, just want to stay out of it. I do believe that we acted because Saddam was ruthless in his drive for power and had to be stopped. Are we in greater danger because of our actions? Yes we are. Are we worried? Yes! Is the fight on global terror real or made up? It is very real and we have the determination to make a global difference, but not alone. Back to the meat of this thread. The glorification by the media to play the "Cindy Sheehan" issue over and over and over, does more than bring this issue to the masses, in overstates it's importance. Propaganda from both sides of the political flag is way out of control. I don't blame Ms. Sheehan for her expressions as mandated by our Constitution, as much as I blame the media. I still believe Heraldo Riveria should be tried for treason, but that's just MHO. Jane Fonda finally got it right after what, 40 years? Support out troops now. The action has been taken and there is plenty of time to revisit our efforts once this "occupation" is no more. Only then should we LEARN from our deeds and apply for the future.

Posted by: kbrewer@herculesent.com">proudmom On Thursday, August 25th

Brantley Smith is right. it doesn't matter really if you are for or against the war. What matters is the propaganda that the terrorist community makes out of our divisions. they do not understand that it is our right to exercise freedom of speech. it is incomprehensible to them. therefore, all publicly broadcast protest is encouragement. Granted, it is Ms. Sheehan's right to protest. However, she needs to understand what she is causing. The lady should take a hard look at Islamist extremism, before she continues. one of the responses made the point that the bombers in London were British. Missed a point there. They were converted to radical Islam by IMPORTED clerics, a few of which have since been deported by Great Britian. Hooray for Tony Blair. I wish President Bush could do the same with the ones that are in our country. I have 2 foster sons, one marine, and one navy, at present in Iraq. I have one son who has just enlisted, because he believes in what his brothers and the rest of the military are doing. We need to think long and hard before we do the kind of thing that Ms. Sheehan is doing, because it provides aid and comfort to the enemy, and is a source of demoralization to our young men and women who are fighting to preserve her right to do what she is doing. One last thing-I applaud the family members who have gone to Crawford and removed the crosses of their loved ones. I wish more of them would do this. I know I would.

Posted by: Kathy Anne Harris Pippig On Wednesday, August 24th

I Pray the Lord My Soul to Keep
It was blistering hot even though the sun had set two hours earlier.
Prone on the ground, Seth crawled through dry grass and dusty earth. Soil and weeds clung to his clothing. Gnats and mosquitos clamored on skin that the dirt and leaves left exposed.
In his eyes was reflected the hot glare from exploding mortar shells--and the haunting glow of flares as they blossomed in the canopy of night. Heat from the fires singed his lungs and fanned crisply on his flesh.
Yet there was another fire that blazed bright. And even his fellow soldiers couldn’t see that deeply into his mind and heart--to the flame of fear.
For the most part Seth could bank the embers, but sparks shot up, every now and then. The fear was not specific. It did not belong to any particular thought.
The world he lived in now was alien to him; unlike anything in his life he had ever experienced. Moreover, the land was foreign, and held no welcome.
Seth had enlisted when he turned 20. He had no wife. No children. He did leave his folks, and younger brother back in the states. There was no grand job waiting for him, as he wasn't sure what he wanted to do by way of a career. Joining the Army was his first priority. There would be time later to figure out what he wished to do with his life.
Being in the military wasn't something he'd been planning, but after 9-11, Seth felt it was where he belonged. His decision to join the armed forces did not come without a price. Just as his country stood divided on The United States' involvement--so, too, did his family. Some were proud of him; others were angry... awash in disbelief.
Many people could not reconcile the reality that those in the military--the Marine Corps, Air Force, Navy, and Army--might be placed in harm's way. They may have to fight to defend themselves. Or fight to protect the lives and freedom of others. If it were not so, they wouldn't be called the "armed forces." There’d be another term, perhaps, the "peaceful troops."
He knew when he enlisted, what the dangers of serving for his country may bring. Still, it didn't make it any easier for him at times like this. Fear and uncertainty rode the tidal wave of Seth's emotions, as did resolve, pride, and purpose.
As he inched along the ground, a creature skittered through the brush a few inches from his face. Seth turned his head to the side and in that moment, when the air around him lit as bright as a lightning strike, he saw his friend convulse as metal and lead tore threw his body. From behind him, Seth heard his commanding officer shouting orders to break cover and find shelter.
Seth quickly stood, then began to run. Somewhere in the dark a woman screamed--a fellow soldier. As adrenaline pumped through him like electricity in his veins, he didn't at first notice the searing wound in his own back. When he stumbled, the pain jolted him. He reached back, felt the wound, and his hand came away wet. He tumbled to the ground, just shy of a sandy berm.
In disbelief and shock, he pulled himself behind some large rocks abutting the banked earth. Time slowed down as Seth's thoughts raced. What had he done to leave his mark in this world? His love for his parents and brother flushed through his senses. Vistas of the land that was his country played in front of his mind's eye...
His heart beat irregularly and extremely fast. The pain in his back had spread, enveloping his entire body. He bowed his head. A tear slid down his cheek as he began to pray. As his shallow breathing ebbed, so did his life force.
~***~
"Sometimes what a person thinks may be important, is not anything close to the contribution he or she leaves." The voice was hushed, and came from an officer standing over him. "A person may think that they will have a job that makes a difference in the world…research, teaching, or sculpting a masterpiece."
The officer lowered himself to the ground, next to Seth. "But to save a country, a life, an ideal, or a freedom. To change the world of a child…" his voice was carried on a sudden breeze and Seth lifted his head so that he might see better.
The officer continued, "If you inspire even one person. To be an example by giving of yourself as fully as any human could -- with your life. Those are the actions that make a difference. Those are the sacrifices that leave a mark in the world." The officer scanned the darkness, then stood.
Weak and weary, Seth could no longer hold his head up, but the words spoken to him threaded through to his heart, his soul. Seth smiled.
Seth's shallow breathing stopped, and he slid away.
"Your prayer has been delivered to your family... the comfort given to them. A soldier who fought at your side will forever be changed by the life you led--the sacrifice you made. Your countrymen will hear of your bravery and many will alter the path of their lives." He stood and extended his hand.
When Seth reached out, the air around him came alive, like a breath on his skin. When he grasped the hand offered to him, the pulse of a luminous wing caught his eye. He gazed up; the soldier was there no longer. A soldier had never been there. An angel had. And in the angel's eyes, light from the stars glittered in irises of deep indigo.
The angel's wings unfurled and a lucent glow, like that from a torch on a garden wall, radiated outward. A zephyr, as fresh and calming as a garden of flowers, emanated 'round the angel and Seth. And a voice, as unlike any sound a human had ever uttered, bid Seth to come. And he did...
Copyright 2005, Kathy Harris Pippig

Posted by: Aaron On Tuesday, August 23rd

Cris, even though I don't really agree with you, I'd like to thank you for making points without being condescending or insulting. That's a huge change from what I usually get on this site.
Now, I wouldn't say I believe any 'conspiracy theories.' One of the general rules of science, for instance, is that the simplest explanation is usually right. I believe that the same is true in this case - Bush didn't invade Iraq to defend us from WMD's, to free an oppressed people, or any of that. I think he invaded Iraq because it made economic and political sense - "shock and awe" was his idea of an economic stimulus package; He created jobs for and pumped government money back into American industry by destroying a country. There's always, of course, the common left-wing theories that the Neocons (not Cheney, but Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz) believe that the invasion of Iraq was necessary to bring about the Rapture.... I don't know about that, mainly because I don't think they're that stupid.
Okay, back to the point.
I will not think soley with my heart in this case. Looking back to history, as you have suggested, those who suggested that the people of their countries "don't think; feel" were the brutal fascist dictators of the pre-World War 2 era, who justified wars of aggression with rhetoric of destiny, nationalism, and spreading their ideals. A basic knowlege of political theory and sociology supports this, yet I still wonder why any educated person would so fiercely refute (and be offended by) far-left gripes of Bush having Fascist policies. This is when history really comes into play, in a large and very general way, not in the nitpicky specifics that conservatives cite when claiming that Clinton was too tough on the military.
I also think that the major difference between this war and the war in Vietnam is that the war in Vietnam was a war we couldn't possibly have won - we were at a huge strategic disadvantage from day one. However, I think that just about any anti-war activist will tell you that regardless of whether or not the war was justified, it would have been won given far better planning and consideration for winning the peace. We could have had relative calm right now, instead of the chaos we're currently getting.

Posted by: Cris On Tuesday, August 23rd

Larry....AMA 1975ish? Just curious. And thank you for your service. Your an American Hero!
Intersting posts that makes one think, which is what the american way is about. Aaron, I sense your hesitation to support Bush and his actions because you believe in the conspiracy theory and you may be right. However, I must compel you to think with your heart first and foremost. Whether we agree or disagree with the current actions in Iraq, it is imparative that support is given to our brave men and women in the trenches. Moral is the basis of sucess and sucess in needed in this war. That is the point of the letter. Sucess can be defined in many ways but failure is absolute if we pull out before we feel it is time. The war is based on power, as all wars are. But ask yourself this very important question above all others.....If you know someone, anyone, that is say killing a few, a hundred or thousands of innocent people and you had the ability to stop them when all other "peacefull means" have been, in YOUR mind, exhausted, would you say "on well I tried" and drop it or would you show your strength and character by doing something about it? This is the moment you should decide if you support or cast off our President. I truley believe this is the choice that was made. Nieve on my part, maybe. We, you, cannot deny the facts on what Saddam's did to innocent people nor his families atrocities. When you have the power you also have the responsility. I applaud the simple fact that we, the United States of America, decided to stand up to a killing machine and remove his regime. The fact that Bin Laden worked out of this country and Saddam supported his operation, pre and post 9/11, was the connection that forced the action. Forget oil for weapons, forget political issues, forget monetary gains, forget global power issues both economically or socially, Democrat or Republican, conservative or liberal, this is a morality issue that I hope all humans can agree was necessary. I hope that if you saw someone being mistreated in any fashion, you will step to the plate and be decisive. Your girlfriend, neighbor or family member needs to know that you will resort to physical action to defend them if they find themselves in harms way. That is the point, period! Final thought. If you believe that Bush is not supportive of the Military, please make you comparisions historically. I think if you look to our modern presidents, you will see that the support is there.

Posted by: jimenke@direcway.com">Jim Menke On Tuesday, August 23rd

I would have guessed by now that with all of the access to information that everyone would be aware that during the Vietnam war, the North Vietnamese were encouraged by the protests going on back at home. It is history and fact that they continued the fight because of the political unrest that was going on at home by the protesters.
The same will be true in Iraq but we will not give up this time.
I voluntered for the Vietnam war even though it was not popular because I believe in service to our country.
I am proud of the men and women that are over there now and only wish that I could be by their side.
This is everyones war! They hate us all and if they could they would blow you and your family up right now and then celebrate it. Until everyone realizes that they are our eneny and that they have declared war on all of us, it is going to be a long fight. We can either support our troops while they are fighting our war, or we can fight it ourselves or our children and grandchildren can when they start blowing up their homes!
Jim Menke

Posted by: usmcengr@aol.com">Brantley Smith On Saturday, August 20th

On behalf of my family and especially my daughter, I want to thank all of you across America for reading this letter, and for the kind and supportive emails and prayers. My father was fond of talking about people in terms of class. By that he meant those who treat others with dignity, respect, humility, and in accordance with the Golden Rule. All of you I have heard from are great Americans with Class. Forgive me if I do not answer every email but rest assured I have read them and appreciate the sentiments they express. For those of you who wrote to disagree, I applaud you for seeking out opposing views and taking the time to hear mine. They are both genuine and heartfelt. This is a vitally important debate for our nation's future and we all need to understand that there are two issues here: The Global War on Terrorism and Iraq, which is just one campaign in that war. Our endurance as a nation is being tested.

Posted by: aaron_nemoyten@yahoo.com">Aaron On Saturday, August 20th

Haha, great fix for the comments! Anyway, back to what I wrote yesterday but couldn't post...
Once again I'm going to request that whomever is in charge here impliment the same line-break functionality in this section of the site as the other. It makes things difficult to read when we can't separate our paragraphs.
Larry, my comments in the main section of the site include my email address every single time. I just don't generally type it here because I didn't think anybody cared. I included it in this post. I'm guessing you didn't even want to email me, you were just trying to make a point without actually debating anything I just said.
Once again, all of you have ignored my most compelling argument: Bush does not care about the troops. This is evidenced by his cuts to health care access for our troops, denying health care entirely to National Gutard and Reserve members, lying about timetables for return to America, decreasing imminent-danger pay, and cutting military family housing and healthcare funds by a whopping 14%. Troops were rushed into battle without proper training or equipment - this is extremely well documented.
Larry, as a military man, if you were given the choice to fight a war today with inadequate training and equipment for troops, or a month from today with everything you could want, which would you choose? Was the element of surprise really worth it? Even supposing the war was totally justified, ignoring that argument entirely, the Bush administration's top brass is composed entirely of men who have never fought in war and know nothing about it (now that Powell is gone!). Their tactical abilities are, to say the least, lacking.
And also, Larry, it looks like you've bought the gap in reasoning that the White House has been selling the American people - which is that fighting terrorists in Iraq prevents terror here in America. Well, um, I hate to break it to ya, but before we invaded Iraq, there were very few terrorists there. Now that we're there, we've basically put a giant bull's eye on the map for aspiring terrorists in the region. They're flocking across the unprotected borders of Iraq just to kill Americans and other Coalition forces there.

PLUS, keep in mind that the London bombers were born and raised in England - NOT imported from other countries.
Scooter, once again, you fail to actually make an argument. You just basically stated the problem and then stated who you thought was to blame. Way to try to convince me of something! That's not debate. Once again, with debating skills like yours...
American Observer, I do this for fun. I'm still in college, still learning, still trying to figure out what works and what doesn't. You spend just as much time on this site as I do, if not more, since you're a regular contributor and I'm simply leaving comments. I believe you telling me to get a life for posting on this site is much like the pot calling the kettle black.

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